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Spartacus
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posted November 07, 2000 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spartacus   Click Here to Email Spartacus        Reply w/Quote
Think you're voting for president? Think again
By Garrick Utley/CNN


NEW YORK (CNN) -- If you think you are going to cast a vote for one of the presidential candidates, think again -- and look again at the small print on the ballot of that state.

We are, lest we forget, voting for an elector, and they will elect the president. Luther Mook, for instance, will do the electing if George W. Bush wins in New York state.

"The electoral college has been here since the beginning of our country. People are still unfamiliar with it," he said.

Martin Connor will cast his electoral vote if Al Gore wins New York state. "It's not a secret vote, really ... You literally line up, as the roll is called, and drop the paper ballot into the ballot box for president," he said.

The 538 electors are spread among states according to the number of each state's representatives and senators in Washington. Maine and Nebraska divide their electoral vote according to the results in each congressional district, but everywhere else, it's winner-take-all.

How did we get this system?

"We're in a republic, not a democracy. The founders were very careful to say they were worried about allowing people to directly elect representatives," said Dr. David Epstein, a political science professor at Columbia University.

When the framers of the Constitution debated how to elect a president, there were no political parties, no national campaigns, and there was concern that regional candidates would splinter a popular vote for president and trigger weak chief executives.

But there were potential faults in the system. The last time that was evident was in 1888, when Grover Cleveland, a Democrat running for re-election, narrowly won the popular vote. But Benjamin Harrison won more electoral votes by winning -- by slight margins -- in a number of key states.

"If we had that again, where somebody won the election without winning the popular vote, the system would be changed in an instant," said Epstein.

One reason it has not been changed yet is that the Electoral College favors the interests of the two dominant parties. In 1992, Ross Perot won 19 percent of the people's votes and zero electoral college votes.

If that offers less choice for voters, it does provide for a stable and predictable two-party system that forces Republicans and Democrats to broaden their appeal by avoiding more extreme positions. It also forces candidates to conduct 51 campaigns -- one in each state and the District of Columbia.

And so, the real presidential election will take place on the Monday following the second Wednesday of December, as 538 men and women -- most of whom are totally unknown to the American public -- gather in their respective state capitals and cast their ballots. Is there a chance that some might shift their votes? It has happened -- nine times -- but it has never affected the outcome of an election, which is announced in Congress in early January.

And this January, there will be someone new taking the oath of office, elected for the people, by the people -- and the 538 members of the Electoral College.

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Spartacus
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posted November 09, 2000 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spartacus   Click Here to Email Spartacus        Reply w/Quote
Boy, when they lie, they lie big:

Clinton: Right to vote not to be taken lightly
In Washington, President Clinton, newly returned from New York after first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton's victory in that state's Senate race, said the continually unfolding events surrounding this year's presidential election should quash any notion that individual votes are not significant.

"If ever there was a doubt about the importance of exercising democracy's most fundamental right, the right to vote, yesterday put it to rest," Clinton said after stepping off Marine One on the South Lawn of the White House.

The American people have spoken," he added. "It's too bad it's going to take a little while to determine what it was they had to say."


Yet CNN reports:
The Electoral College and ultimate victory for either Gore or Bush is at stake. Gore looks to have won the popular vote, but either could be launched into the presidency with the award of Florida's outstanding 25 electoral votes.

Without a decision in Florida, Gore led the projected tally in the Electoral College by 14 votes, 260 to 246. The minimum requirement for an Electoral College win is 270 votes. The only other state to have not yet projected winner is Oregon, which holds seven electoral votes.

Yeah, what did Clinton say? The vote of every American in this election counts? Yet in reality they are only counting the electorals. Hehe. You have to love these guys and how they lie like silk

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Agent
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posted November 09, 2000 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Agent   Click Here to Email Agent        Reply w/Quote
YES, EVERY VOTE COUNTS! Did you hear how close the vote in Florida was? a couple of hundred votes! A couple of hundred votes between 25 electoral votes! EVERY VOTE COUNTS! But not in Nebraska...we only have 5 electorals....unless the race is between 5 electoral votes and nebraska is the deciding vote.... HA!

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Spartacus
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posted November 09, 2000 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spartacus   Click Here to Email Spartacus        Reply w/Quote
heh, I think Alaska has like 1 electoral vote, lol.

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posted November 09, 2000 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Threeof4   Click Here to Email Threeof4        Reply w/Quote
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one representative and two senators (i think).

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