posted November 03, 2000 01:39 AM               

Oleg Cassini and Gene Tierney

Oleg Cassini and Mr & Mrs Kennedy

Oleg Cassini and Grace Kelly

posted November 03, 2000 05:50 PM               

LOL, perhaps, hehe. Darn, Talon you see right through me :P However, the problem I am having is attempting to justify Oleg Cassini having romantic affairs (displayed publicly at that) with a great deal of female actresses/models/dignitaries besides Grace Kelly and Gene Tierney such as Marilyn Monroe, Hedy Lamarr, Natalie Wood, etc. What on earth did they all see in him? It was certainly not his wealth because they were all filthy rich themselves.

Threeof4: "I'm going to have to agree with you spart, but i don't think that Gene Tierney is all that great looking either."

Amusingly, a good portion of the American populace today upong seeing Gene Tierney do not find her very attractive, but there is a small fanatical amount who do. Allow me to define beauty with what meager and boring amount of unfounded/unproven knowledge I have on a rather complicated subject:

[The following is not directed to Threeof4 or anyone else, but just provides an opportunity for me to rant indepthly and cause a potential debate ]

Earthly/Lusty Beauty: It usually appeals somewhere between the solar plexus and the lower thigh. The prime examples of this type are Marilyn Monroe in "The Seven Year Itch", Pamela Anderson in "Barbed Wire", Mae West in "She Done Him Wrong", Carmen Electra in "Scary Movie", Ursela Andress in "Dr. No", Angelina Jolie in "Gone In Sixty Seconds" and such. The key item they lack is classical features (i.e. perfectly straight noses, well-formed chins, etc.) Many Marilyn Monroe fans may argue that she does possess classical features. The majority of them fail to realize that her nose is the result of heavy plastic surgeory as well as her chin. Interestingly, Pamela Anderson and Ursela Andress also have used plastic surgeory a great deal.

A female who falls into the "Earthly/Lusty Beauty" category will usually be described as "Wow, she's hot!" by the modern male populace.

Bear in mind, however, many human beings do not label "Earthly/Lusty Beauty" to be a beauty at all.

Classical Beauty: It appeals almost entirely to the soul and is also called "classical features". This defines perfect bone-structure as a result of possessing a D.N.A. with few flaws coupled with what casting directors in Hollywood call "the Kiss of Venus" or "Venus charm" (which I often argue to also be contained in D.N.A.).

The prime examples of Classical Beauty are Grace Kelly in "Rear Window" (colorless version), and Gene Tierney in "Sundown". They both have almost impeccable features when seen from the side. They also were born in an era when plastic surgery was unheard of therefore the looks/features you were born with were the looks you had for life. It is entirely impossible to classify a modern actress as having classical features because there is too strong a possibility that her nose, chin, ear, forehead or something similar has been altered by the instruments of a plastic surgeon.

Homely/Common Beauty: Prime examples of this label are Olivia de Havilland in "Gone With The Wind", Myrna Loy in the "Great Ziegfeld", Carole Lombard in "My Man Godfrey", Heather Angel in the "Bulldog Drummond" series, Cameron Diaz in "There's Something About Mary" or Gwyneth Paltrow in "The Talented Mr. Ripley" (Paltrow is rather hard to classify for some reason though). They are all attractive *in* a homely sort of way (due to their faces being rather round and their features not looking "cleanly chiselled"). They lack true classical features, however almost all radiate charm/comfort/warmth which fall under the "Kiss of Venus" factor.

Interestingly, I read a post by a netizen once comparing Catherine Zeta-Jones to Grace Kelly (classical beauty) on a Flashkit.com message board. Yet, upon showing him a picture of Heather Angel (homely beauty), it is perfectly obvious that Catherine Jones fell into the homely beauty catagory rather than the classical one.

"Kiss of Venus/Venus Charm Factor": If you have ever read the memoirs of casting directors and studio supervisors during Hollywood's Golden Age, they all speak of a factor known as the "Kiss of Venus" or "Venus Charm". It is the natural effect that can change the face of an ordinarily common-looking person and make it attractive. It cannot be applied with make-up or some other chemical. A person either has it or they do not. A good example of this is Olivia de Havilland and her sister. Her sister has finer features, yet she lacks the radiance/warmth of Olivia therefore making her seem less attractive and negating her finer face. Cameron Diaz also has this radiance/joie de vivre. Something about her face intrigues a person. You cannot exactly pin-point what type of vivacity/glow it is yet it has an entrancing effect. If she lacked it, she would seem unappealing and far from beautiful.

In any case, my point is there are many factors of beauty, and many people unknowingly tag an individual as "beautiful" based on the above categories and numerous subcategories of each. Usually, a male individual picks one of the latter categories (such as "Earthly/Lusty Beauty") as uses it to judge everyone by it.

Schnapps: "He looks like Sir Ian McKellan gone wrong.
Now, I *like* Ian Mac. But only when he goes right."

That is precisely the person I was reminded of when I first saw Oleg Cassini, who is an Italian count.

posted November 03, 2000 06:26 PM               

Spart - Amusingly, a good portion of the American populace today upong seeing Gene Tierney do not find her very attractive, but there is a small fanatical amount who do. Allow me to define beauty with what meager and boring amount of unfounded/unproven knowledge I have on a rather complicated subject:

Fanatic - marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion

Yes this does describe spart

Lets look at other words for fanatic -

Entry Word: fanatic
Function: noun
Text: Synonyms ENTHUSIAST, bug, fiend, freak, maniac, nut, zealot

posted November 03, 2000 06:40 PM               

Oh, btw, I am not classifying anyone in the Vast Empire as apart of the "normal" American populace. I mean, any person who spends upwards of six hours a day in a fantasy Star Wars club is not normal, eh? Eh, comrades, eh?

posted November 03, 2000 06:48 PM               

As for Sir Big Mac, it's a constant source of upset to me that he's so outrageously gay.
http://www.mckellen.com/images/3064.jpg

posted November 04, 2000 05:51 PM               

*snickers quietly to himself,

posted November 04, 2000 09:22 PM               

umm.. i am going to shut up now.

I have even included pics of me and Sess so you can see what I am talking about.

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posted November 04, 2000 09:48 PM               

Hehe, the night I shocked Sess' and Crysus' feet is a night I shall never forget. That has to be one of the funniest moments in my life watching bright blue electricity literally "leap" from the shock collar prong to tender flesh causing an entire body to writhe in pain and limbs to twitch uncontrollably, hehe.

That and putting an ice-pack under Crysus' feet so after I shocked him, he placed his calf right upon it and then jumped up 3 secs later :P

Actually, I was merely teasing Sess about his nose, because indeed he does have a very straight nose (well, straighter than most).

I rarely tease a person about their nose if it is truly bad which is why you never see me teasing Threeof4 :P