posted June 14, 2000 01:35 PM               

VE SPECIAL TITLES

The Vast Empire spans many systems and worlds. Each system and occupied planet had it�s own form of government before the Vast Empire came. The chaos that reigned in each system has systematically been wiped out. In it�s place a form of Imperial Monarchy was established by the High Council for the Vast Empire. There are no Kings, Queens, or Emperors; that title is reserved solely for the Head of the High Council if he is deemed worthy by his peers (Majority vote by the VE High Council excluding the Head of the High Council) to hold that title. However, the many systems in the Vast Empire have to be governed by someone. Field Marshal Majere (current Head of the High Council) current manages each system by himself. This form of �micro-management� is going away with the establishment of these titles. Each title will represent a certain job description pertaining to a system, world, or even sector. They will in turn represent the system, world, or sectors they are in charge of to the Head of the High Council when deemed appropriate. When asked they will report on what is going on within their field of responsibility and they will also be charged with protecting their sector, world, or system to the death. They will make sure that their citizens have everything they need in order to succeed.

Note: All of these titles can be assigned to a Sector, System, or a planet/world. Only the Head of the High Council may approve such a title to be given to someone in the Vast Empire. However, a recommendation can be made by anyone in the High Council.

PRINCE/PRINCESS: A Prince/Princess is a title given to someone who is ranked (at least 5th place) in ALL 6 of the VE Battle Boards. Only 1 prince/princess may exist so whoever is ranked highest in all 6 of the battle boards get this prestigious title. For role-playing purposes the Prince/Princess is in charge of protecting all of the systems under Vast Empire control. They take care of all of the systems economy, defense, etc etc. The Prince/Princess is answerable ONLY to the Head of the High Council in this job ONLY (he/she must still answer to his/her commander)
DUKE/DUCHESS: This title is given to someone who is ranked (at least 5th place) in 5 out to 6 of the VE Battle Boards. Only 2 Duke/Duchess� may exist so whoever is ranked highest in 5 out of 6 Battle Boards get this prestigious title. For role-playing purposes the Duke/Duchess is answerable to the Prince/Princess and is in charge of the VE systems� defenses�.
EARL: This title is given to someone who is ranked (at least 5th place) in 4 out of 6 of the VE Battle Boards. Only 3 Earl�s may exist at any time so whoever is ranked highest in 4 out of 6 Battle Boards get this prestigious title. For role-playing purposes the Earl is answerable to the Prince/Princess and is in charge of the VE System�s Planetary Defenses.
BARON/BARONESS: This title is given to someone who is ranked (at least 5th place) in 3 out of 6 of the VE Battle Boards. Only 4 Baron/Baroness� may exist at any time so whoever is ranked highest in 3 out of 6 Battle Boards get this prestigious title. For roleplaying purposes Baron/Baroness� answer to the Duke/Duchess� and they assist them in their daily duties and help carry out their orders.
COUNT/COUNTESS: This title is given to someone who is ranked (at least 5th place) in 2 out of 6 of the VE Battle Boards. Only 5 Count/Countess� may exist at any time so whoever is ranked highest in 2 out of 6 Battle Boards get this prestigious title. For roleplaying purposes Count/Countess� answer to the Baron/Baroness� and they assist them in their daily duties and help carry out their orders.
KNIGHT: This title is given to someone who is ranked highest in 1 out of the 6 Battle Boards. Only 6 Knight�s may exist at any time so whoever is ranked highest in one out of the 6 Battle Boards get this prestigious title. For roleplaying purposes Knight�s answer to everyone that outranks them. They are the enforcers, ensuring that all orders are carried out in a timely fashion.
VICEROY: This is a title for everyone who has played more than 50 games in the Battle Board. The person that wields this title answers only to the Prince/Princess and/or the Head of the High Council. They are authorized to speak for them in a public manner. A good example of this person�s job is to recruit clubs to join the Vast Empire as a Division, Ally, Friendly Enemy, etc etc. There is no limit to how many people may hold this title. Although it is said that once a lot of people reach 50 games that it will raise another 50 to 100 games played.

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posted June 14, 2000 04:18 PM               

I share the opinion of Stormtrooper and g5. Owning 6 of the games on the battle board is quite costly. And we can't really prohibit the members of the VE that don't have the money or don't want to spend their money on computer games. If you joined the VE to have fun, we shouldn't limit the ways to have fun and center things around game playing. Just a thought though. If we are going to do this we might need to come up with something centered around story writing, pic making, etc.

Also, if this does go through that to become a prince/princess or a high ranking battle board person, I think you should have higher than 5th place in 6/5/4... of the boards. I mean in some of the battle boards there aren't even 5 players registered. And most of the boards that do have an adequate amount of players, not to many players participate. Only a couple members are actually active in that particular board. If we are going to reward them with such a prestigous title, I think they should have to have a higher ranking in the respective battle boards they are in.

Also I don't quite understand how these ranks would relate with the current army and navy ranks. Would they be outside of navy and army control, and who would control them? Are they going to get paid? Who will manage bank accounts and such? hehe

Well that's my 2 cents. Just wondering how this would happen.

posted June 14, 2000 05:04 PM              

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Tech Daishi
(found out my version of XvT is incompatable with all other veriosns so I only have five of the six .)

posted June 14, 2000 05:35 PM               

I remember that Cabbel, Viper, and several other well-known members in mIRC first came up with the first draft of this system and in it we solved the problems everyone is stating here. I believe both Blackhawk and Donitz made a variation of this system based off our ideas which he submitted to Majere that was filled with inconsistencies and was never subjected to future revisions by the original creators. It supported the aristocratic members of the Vast Empire. He was never fully authorized by the entire collective to send in the system if I remember correctly.

I believe the credit for the idea should go to Cabbel, Darkstar, or Viper being we never authorized Donitz or Blackhawk to send in our ideas with their names written on it.

Does anyone know what plaugerism is? I have forgotten.

posted June 14, 2000 07:08 PM               

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Lt. Trigit
Army
XO of Acadamy

posted June 15, 2000 09:26 AM               

I mean there isnt much activity, and I'm first on four boards not because of skill, but because I play it. . . I've played one MotS and one XWA, and just for playin I got first. and If I keep playin at this rate with JK, I might just overtake Athran, since im 2nd now, and within 7 points of a tie with him *finds someone to play JK with and boots it up* lol

posted June 15, 2000 10:32 AM               

1) The original idea was given to me by VA Donitz. It was then that I was approached by others for doing something similar. I also want to point out that the entire document that I drew up was developed by myself and without any help from any other documents. The only thing that Donitz gave me was some special ranks in an e-mail message (and a lengthy chat on mIRC). So the plagurizing acusation is wrong, or at least should be directed towards me. Everything in this document came out of my head, and mine alone (I didn't look at anyone else's suggestions, submission, etc). I apologize for thinking along the same lines as others (who didn't complete this suggestion or make it work).

2) My intent for my system was to increase game playing on the battle boards. We have a lot of people with games that don't play. The Vast Empire was originally started to play games. I see a lot of people sitting on their cans (the lower ranks) with no desire to do much. So I decided to throw in a little benefit for those that play games by adding a role playing twist. Hopefully this will jump start them.

3) Now I know that we have a lot of people who are great writters and graphics artists. I am willing to "extend" my suggestion to include them. I dont really know how to implement this. So unless I get a "working" solution on how to add story writting/graphics editing then I am going to drop this suggestion (even though it's a good one). My only requirement is that it's automated - since I don't have time to grade people's papers.

4) Another point I want to make is....These titles are mostly for role playing purposes. I want the best "proven" fighters to excell in "something." These titles ARE NOT High Council or High Command positions. This is just a title with a role playing twist. The IC bonus' for playing these games are still going to be the same (IE: Titles for the #1 spot, and IC awards for people that play more than 10 games).

Now I would like to respond to a few of these posts:

posted 14 June 2000 02:33 PM
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Sorry, but I think this is not fair, Sir.
The members of the VE who can`t play this computer games, have never a chance to become a high rank like a Knight (or other special ranks)
Think about it, Sir.
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Sorry - but I don't care if it's fair or not. 90% of everyone in the Vast Empire has games and "could" play in the Battle Board if they wanted to. I plan to award our elite fighters somehow. If not with this suggestion - with another one.
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i think it is a good i dea na d the only draw back is tht to get the very high ranking positions you habe to have all or almost all of the games and some ppl don't but all in all it is a good idea
---------------FM Majere
These are not high ranking positions. These are role playing titles specially designed for our best "proven" fighters.
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I share the opinion of Stormtrooper and g5. Owning 6 of the games on the battle board is quite costly. And we can't really prohibit the members of the VE that don't have the money or don't want to spend their money on computer games. If you joined the VE to have fun, we shouldn't limit the ways to have fun and center things around game playing. Just a thought though. If we are going to do this we might need to come up with something centered around story writing, pic making, etc.
------------------FM Majere
Everyone can get great titles without going out and buying costly games. The Prince/Princess title is something that should be "extremely" hard to obtain. As a matter of fact I really doubt that I would get a Prince/Princess anytime soon. I am not limiting anybody's fun. The people that dissagree with me have yet to submit many stories, graphics, etc etc. The VERY FEW stories that i have received are outstanding. Perhaps if the people that dissagree with me would get up and help with the plotline, etc etc (like they asked me to do) then I would be more willing to include story writting. I guess what I am saying is..."Put your money where your mouth is."
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Also I don't quite understand how these ranks would relate with the current army and navy ranks. Would they be outside of navy and army control, and who would control them? Are they going to get paid? Who will manage bank accounts and such? hehe
-----------------FM Majere
These titles have absolutely "NOTHING" to do with the Army, Navy, Dark Jedi, etc ranks and positions. The only pay that they would receive are the IC bonus' for every 10 games played and every now and then when I decide to award IC's to the top 3 game players. Since the Battle Board can be played by non-VE people I decided to cater this suggestion strictly to them. This is strictly a "role playing" twist for everyone that plays on the battle board.
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Plag. is copying someone else's idea and calling it your own. I agree with g5 a StormTrooper. I am busy managing things for the Ve, so dont get a bunch of playign time. I also dont own all 6 games, so I dont even have a chance at the highest one.
-----------------------FM Majere
The biggest rewards has been and always will be doing your primary job in the Vast Empire. A private that does nothing but play games and obtains a special title will remain a private until he/she does their job. While a story writting goon that is great at making websites will get some great promotions, awards and enter the High Command. My biggest complaint for EVERY High Council and High Command people are that they don't take the time and do something fun. Whether it's writting stories or playing a game they just don't do it once they get into a certain position. The few times that they do play games is when they are "forced" to in order to set an example. The Vast Empire currently has a great structure. Thank's go out to everyone that helped make it (you know who you are). Now it's time to set the example for others to follow and concentrate on having fun. The Vast Empire IS NOT a second job where you don't get paid. The Vast Empire is a gaming club and it's primary purpose will always be playing games (IE: story writting, multiplayer, single player, etc etc). Those that want to keep the Vast Empire a working club is going to find themselves out of a job eventually (since everyone that works for me will be trying to get people to play games and have fun. They will want to do this, or they wont get promoted.). People shouldn't be worried about obtaining the highest title. Since it is a title earned and not given. People should worry about getting "A" title and having fun with it (roleplaying).
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Saying as how I suck at games and am only good at writing (you'd never guess from that grammar, heh), I'd quite like to see something to represent writers.
On the other hand, it does make a great deal of sense to reward the best combat veterans - it's not like writers can duel each other, quills at dawn.
-----------------FM Majere
I've seen you play XvT - you don't suck. You are not the best, but you don't suck either. I agree with adding writters to my suggestion. However, the main problem with this idea is that it would require more work from me. My real life time is booked which prevents me from implementing this. The Battle Board is automated and a very easy way of implementing my suggestion.
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I hope this gets my point accross. I also want everyone to know where the Vast Empire is going in the future. GM Kadann and Moff Threeof4 work VERY hard and spend lots of money to give everyone a fun atmosphere to play in. So basically what I am saying is that the Vast Empire is going to use their atmosphere and have some fun. You can either stay in the wagon and be included in the fun - or fall out and get left behind. A common complaint from Threeof4 is, "People don't play my Battle Board much." He worked his ASS OFF for you guys and only about 1 percent of the Vast Empire takes part in it.

At any rate - feel free to post your questions, responses, etc etc here. This time tomorrow I will end this discussion.

posted June 15, 2000 01:54 PM              

Well sounds fairly decent and I'm not getting any younger so I might as well have some fun while I still can. I feel like gaming again, I haven't had as many opportunities to game as ussual for quite a while and mission designing is boring in comparison, win or lose at least I know I did something other than complain or sit and vegitate in front of my computer.

posted June 15, 2000 02:15 PM               

It has already spurred on some activity (in a small way :P) in that I'm about to go and register for the Battle Board, heh.

posted June 15, 2000 03:19 PM               

Today you are nothing - tomorrow you could find yourself a Royal Knight for Lorn 4 (or some other planet).

The story writters will be taken care of - that I promise. I plan to award a hefty set of IC's and points for good stories for the upcomming campaigns. Same goes with graphics.

Have fun people - that's why we are all here. Dat's an order! hehe